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]]> By: Ben Tremblay http://alexdc.org/2008/01/social-objects.html/comment-page-1#comment-273 Ben Tremblay Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:28:10 +0000 http://alexdc.org/social-objects-and-the-observers-paradox/#comment-273 Alex, I've finally cleared the decks enough to give your piece part of the attention it deserves. You've done a masterful job of mapping the territory! I'm trying to grapple with one part of that; when individuals as citizens are mindful of those who are trying to mislead and manipulate they then very naturally act in ways that at once defend their interests and un-mask the deceiver. (I don't think commercials are evil or anything like that, but the constant association of consumption and blissful happiness ... that's brain-washing.) I'm thinking of the sort of exchange that might take place in a forum of blog where one party is being paid to participate with the sole objective of (what? infecting others with a meme?) pushing a simple agenda. That gives me the jitters, imagining how those I try to meet as peers online might a) be false or b) be cynical because of some previous exchange. I like this bit from your piece: "To count, measure, reckon value, or seek the cause of a thing, is to step outside the circle, to cease being 'all of a piece' with the flow of gifts" ... I think there are alternatives to being naive and unthinkingly innocent, and yet hope that we can get through our days without becoming too self-consciously skeptical. What concerns me most is that those who are intent on amplifying their interests are so methodical and systematic and even lucid compared to the typical individual ... bearing in mind always that there's nothing necessarily wholesome about marketing techniques. Meh ... I wanted to leave my mark on this today but feel I've just rambled pointlessly. HeyHo, and so it goes, that's front of mind right at the moment. FWIW I think heh you've got enough material here to unpack into a whole series! cheers --bentrem Alex, I’ve finally cleared the decks enough to give your piece part of the attention it deserves.
You’ve done a masterful job of mapping the territory!

I’m trying to grapple with one part of that; when individuals as citizens are mindful of those who are trying to mislead and manipulate they then very naturally act in ways that at once defend their interests and un-mask the deceiver. (I don’t think commercials are evil or anything like that, but the constant association of consumption and blissful happiness … that’s brain-washing.) I’m thinking of the sort of exchange that might take place in a forum of blog where one party is being paid to participate with the sole objective of (what? infecting others with a meme?) pushing a simple agenda. That gives me the jitters, imagining how those I try to meet as peers online might a) be false or b) be cynical because of some previous exchange.

I like this bit from your piece: “To count, measure, reckon value, or seek the cause of a thing, is to step outside the circle, to cease being ‘all of a piece’ with the flow of gifts” … I think there are alternatives to being naive and unthinkingly innocent, and yet hope that we can get through our days without becoming too self-consciously skeptical. What concerns me most is that those who are intent on amplifying their interests are so methodical and systematic and even lucid compared to the typical individual … bearing in mind always that there’s nothing necessarily wholesome about marketing techniques.

Meh … I wanted to leave my mark on this today but feel I’ve just rambled pointlessly. HeyHo, and so it goes, that’s front of mind right at the moment.

FWIW I think heh you’ve got enough material here to unpack into a whole series!

cheers
–bentrem

]]> By: Ben Tremblay http://alexdc.org/2008/01/social-objects.html/comment-page-1#comment-272 Ben Tremblay Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:27:27 +0000 http://alexdc.org/social-objects-and-the-observers-paradox/#comment-272 Indeed ... yes ... What I'm working on right now is how it seems that solipsism, or a sort of solipsism, seems to be the precursor to sycophancy. --bentrem Indeed … yes …

What I’m working on right now is how it seems that solipsism, or a sort of solipsism, seems to be the precursor to sycophancy.

–bentrem

]]> By: Joan Vinall-Cox http://alexdc.org/2008/01/social-objects.html/comment-page-1#comment-271 Joan Vinall-Cox Sat, 12 Jan 2008 06:01:11 +0000 http://alexdc.org/social-objects-and-the-observers-paradox/#comment-271 Fascinating. I am really enjoying and learning from what you write and from the links you provide. Thanks. I can see my Facebook and Twitter experiences in a more conscious way, and because I am interested in the phenomenology of the experience, as well as the pleasure of the experience, for me there are no cobwebs, and the ale has become fine scotch;-> But that doesn't deny the observer's paradox; in my limited experience, you're really on to something here. Fascinating. I am really enjoying and learning from what you write and from the links you provide. Thanks.

I can see my Facebook and Twitter experiences in a more conscious way, and because I am interested in the phenomenology of the experience, as well as the pleasure of the experience, for me there are no cobwebs, and the ale has become fine scotch;-> But that doesn’t deny the observer’s paradox; in my limited experience, you’re really on to something here.

]]> By: zeroinfluencer http://alexdc.org/2008/01/social-objects.html/comment-page-1#comment-270 zeroinfluencer Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:04:27 +0000 http://alexdc.org/social-objects-and-the-observers-paradox/#comment-270 Great stuff. Really really really good to see Relational Aesthetics being mentioned within Web2.0ness and Branding. And the Design for Hackability link is a great find. Thanks. Great stuff.

Really really really good to see Relational Aesthetics being mentioned within Web2.0ness and Branding.

And the Design for Hackability link is a great find. Thanks.

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